Abstract
We observe that the σ meson in the recently proposed dual model of Halpern and Thorn can (should) be reinterpreted as a pion in its own right. The resulting model has the π and ρ degenerate at zero mass, no fifth quantum numbers, and a generally reduced spectrum. A related second model has nonmultiplicative internal symmetry, a Pomeranchukon (and exotic states), a ρ at 1 GeV, and a zero-mass pion. Both models can be extended to include fermions.

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